On Thursday, Democracy Now! looked more closely at the men who have moved into high leadership positions in Iraq, Adel Abdel Mahdi[1] and Jalal Talabani,[2] and in addition, at the man who is now slated to become U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, Zalmay Khalilzad.[3] -- A common thread runs through these men's lives: a focus on what Daniel Yergin, following Winston Churchill, called "the prize" -- the control of petroleum resources as the key to geopolitical power. -- Note: UFPPC's Jack Kus has already had some acerbic things to say about one of Iraq's new vice presidents, Adel Abdel Mahdi. -- See also Jay Ruskin's observations about what Pepe Escobar has called the Shiites' Faustian bargain in Iraq: oil for power. -- One further addition to what Larry Everest says about the important role that Zalmay Khalilzad has played in shaping the neoconservative geostrategic vision, which is confirmed and described at length in James Mann's Rise of the Vulcans: The History of Bush's War Cabinet (Viking, 2004): like Paul Wolfowitz, Zalmay Khalilzad was a student at the University of Chicago of the nuclear theorist Albert Wohlstetter, a Rand Corporation researcher and Pentagon consultant who was one of the intellectual godfathers to the neoconservative movement....
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WASHINGTON'S TROJAN HORSE IN THE NEW IRAQI GOVERNMENT: VICE PRESIDENT
ABDEL MAHDI Interview with Antonia Juhasz
** Outgoing finance minister Adel Abdel Mahdi was named by the Iraqi
parliament to be one of the country's two vice presidents. We speak with author
and activist Antonia Juhasz about Abdel Mahdi's ties to neo-liberal institutions
and his plans to privatize Iraq's oil. **
Democracy Now! April 7, 2005
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/07/1343230
AMY GOODMAN: We're joined by analyst, Dilip Hiro, from Britain. We are
also joined now by activist and author Antonia Juhasz. For years, she was
Project Director at the International Forum on Globalization, currently working
on a book about corporate globalization and Iraq. We're also joined by author
Larry Everest, who’s the author of Oil, Power and Empire: Iraq and the US
Global Agenda. Antonia Juhasz, let's go you to. You write about the former
Iraqi Finance Minister, now one of the deputy presidents, Abdel Mahdi. Can you
talk about him?
ANTONIA JUHASZ: Sure. Thanks for having me this morning. Basically
Abdel Mahdi is an economist and a politician who currently serves as the finance
minister of Iraq and also served on the Iraqi Governing Council. He was the
leader of the United Iraqi Alliance ticket, the Shiite Party pegged to be the
prime minister of Iraq. Then through the negotiations that happened after
January 30, he, as you said, has become one of the vice presidents and part of
the Presidency Council. He can be considered the Bush administration's economic
man on the ground in Iraq. After Paul Bremer, who was the head of the Coalition
Provisional Authority of the US Government of occupied Iraq, left, Abdel Mahdi
essentially took over to implement the economic transformations that Paul Bremer
had set into place in his 100 Bremer orders which fundamentally restructured the
Iraqi economy. Mahdi essentially implemented those ideas and moved them forward.
He has taken two trips to DC. He took two trips prior to the January 30th
elections, one in October and one in December. Both times he met, or at least
one of the two visits, with both President Bush and Vice President Cheney. And
he announced, in a press conference while in D.C., negotiations on a new oil law
for Iraq that he said would be very good for U.S. Oil companies that would look
at privatization of the oil. And he also talked about all of the economic
reforms that he had put into place to fundamentally shift Iraq from a state
controlled economy to an economy completely open to foreign investment, free
trade, and the like. He wasn't elected president, and won't be prime minister,
however remaining in a key leadership post makes it very likely at a minimum
that he will continue to work, try to work to push all of those economic
reforms. Just to also be clear, he is in the position to keep doing that for one
simple reason which is that the Bremer orders, those economic changes, stay in
effect unless they are specifically overturned by the new national assembly,
meaning they did continue. They continue on unless they're specifically
overturned. And Mahdi will be in a position to see those move forward. He is
definitely somebody who is very much supported by the Bush administration, and
has continually expressed his commitment to U.S. corporations.
AMY GOODMAN: We're talking to Antonia Juhasz, author and activist. You
right write in your latest piece, “Of Oil and Elections,” "Remember when we used
to talk about how the war in Iraq was about oil? Remember the banners that read
‘No Blood for Oil!’? Oil has fallen out of the discussion, but it's time to
bring it back in light of the Iraqi elections.” This was a little while ago, but
you specifically, even then before Adel Mahdi was known by most people, talk
about this meeting that he had in December of 2004. Can you describe it?
ANTONIA JUHASZ: Yes. This was a press conference. It was part of a
couple of days' meetings of the U.S.-Iraq Economic Commission which has met
twice. That was the second time. Basically, a U.S. government corporate Iraqi
government body that came together for the second meeting to discuss, it seems,
largely oil. The proceedings, of course, are not public. I have only seen press
releases that the State Department put out. The entire focus was on Iraq's
economy and its transformation of oil. So, at this press conference, Mahdi
described what he was thinking about in terms of oil, and again this is prior to
the election, so it's definitely setting himself up as the person who the
Americans should feel comfortable with. At that meeting, he said that Iraq's oil
law was being completely reconsidered, and of course, Iraq's oil was fully
nationalized in 1972. It has been off-limits to U.S. companies. The only company
that has continued to do well is ChevronTexaco which has been marketing Iraqi
oil, selling it both during the Oil-for-Food period, and also currently has a
contract to market Iraqi oil. The rest of the oil of Iraq has been completely
shut off to U.S. companies, and obviously, they have been very eager to get back
in. Mahdi discussed several changes, one of which would be privatization, full
privatization of the oil sector, but the other is, you know, a slow process of
opening up of the sector, either at a contract by contract basis, or things like
simply allowing foreign companies to come in and build oil infrastructure, pump
oil out of the ground, do joint excavation policies with the Iraqi government.
There's a whole slew of ways that the U.S. government -- the U.S. corporations
can enter the Iraqi oil sector without full privatization needing to go forward.
But he said full privatization. And again, he said, you know, basically this
would be very good for U.S. companies, and the reason why he said that was
because it is French and Russian companies that had contracts that were pending
with Iraq, waiting for the sanctions to end and basically most members of the
Iraqi -- current Iraqi government have said we are not going to honor those
contracts. So Mahdi was saying, the French and Russian contracts are out. The
door is open to U.S. companies. You know, I'm going to open it as far as it can
go. Let's move forward these elections and get me into office, is how I read
that process. And it has already been going forward. ChevronTexaco, Exxon Mobil,
BP, Shell, they're all already offering free services in Iraq, training Iraqi
oil workers, helping rewrite laws to open their access, bidding on oilfields in
Kirkuk and elsewhere across Iraq, and they're poised and ready to go.
--Antonia Juhasz, author and activist. She is currently working on a book
about corporate globalization and Iraq. Her articles have appeared in the New
York Times, the Cambridge University Review of International Relations
Journal, and the LA Times. For years, she was Project Director at the
International Forum on Globalization.
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IRAQ'S NEW PRESIDENT JALAL TALABANI: ALLY OF CIA, IRANIAN INTELLIGENCE AND
SADDAM HUSSEIN Interview with Dilip Hiro
** Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani is named president of Iraq, becoming the
first non-Arab president of an Arab country. Veteran Middle East journalist
Dilip Hiro talks about Talabani's ties to the CIA, Iranian intelligence and
Saddam Hussein. **
Democracy Now! April 7, 2005
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/07/1343226
Kurdish leader Jalal Talabani is due to be sworn in today as Iraq's new
president. The national assembly ended two months of deadlock Wednesday when it
elected Talabani to the largely ceremonial post. He becomes the first non-Arab
president of an Arab country.
Talabani told reporters his presidency "means that there is no
discrimination, that all Arabs, Kurds and other nationalities have the same
rights."
Ousted leader Saddam Hussein watched Talabani"s election from his prison cell
on a TV set up by his jailers.
The Iraqi parliament also named outgoing finance minister Adel Abdel Mahdi
and outgoing interim president Ghazi Yawar as the country's two vice presidents.
The three men will serve together on the presidency council. They are expected
to name Shiite politician Ibrahim Jaafari to the powerful post of prime
minister. Cabinet ministers are expected to be named by next week.
The transitional government's main task will be to oversee the drafting of a
permanent Iraqi constitution and pave the way for elections in December.
Meanwhile, on Tuesday, Secretary of State Condoleeza Rice announced that
Zalmay Khalilzad has officially been nominated to replace John Negroponte as
ambassador to Iraq. Khalilzad has been serving as the U.S. ambassador to
Afghanistan. He was a leading backer of overthrowing Saddam Hussein and has
close ties to neo-conservatives in Washington. In 1998 he co-signed a letter to
President Clinton sent by the Project for the New American Century calling for
regime change in Iraq.
Today we will take a an in-depth look at the new members of Iraq"s
government.
AMY GOODMAN: We are joined on the line from London by veteran Middle
East journalist, Dilip Hiro. His trilogy of books on Iraq and Iran are
considered some of the most definitive histories of the wars in the Persian
Gulf. His latest book is called Secrets and Lies: Operation Iraqi Freedom and
After. We welcome you to Democracy Now!, Dilip Hiro.
DILIP HIRO: Good morning to you.
AMY GOODMAN: It’s good to have you join us. Can you talk about the new
government of Iraq?
DILIP HIRO: Yes, certainly. I can give you a very quick biographical
sketch of Jalal Talabani. He was born in 1934 in a place in Kurdistan called
Kelkan, and he trained as a lawyer. He went to Baghdad University, joined the
Kurdistan Democratic Party, which was then run by Mustafa Barzani, a tribal
Islamic leader, and then fell out with him, with Barzani, Sr., and actually went
over to work with the government in Baghdad. Then after quite a few twists and
turns, in 1975 he again, he briefly joined the Kurdistan Democratic Party, then
left to go and live in Beirut, and when he was in Beirut in the mid-1970s, he
came under the influence of George Habash, the leader of the Palestine
Liberation Front, Popular Front for the Liberation of Palestine, P.F.L.P., who
was a Marxist leader. And he then in 1976 set up along with others Patriotic
Union of Kurdistan, the P.U.K., which actually described itself as a
Marxist-Leninist organization. And that is the organization of which he had been
a leader. He has changed sides so often that I think it would be very boring for
me to go through each twist and turn. There's a very long entry on him in my
book, The Essential Middle East: A Comprehensive Guide.
Finally, I notice that he is being described as a greater leader who fought
Saddam Hussein. I can tell you, Amy, that after this 1991 Gulf War, when there
were uprising of Kurds which was suppressed by Saddam's regime, he then later on
went to head a Kurdish delegation, and in June 1991, actually, they made a deal
with Saddam Hussein, and I have a picture of him, Jalal Talabani, kissing the
cheeks of Saddam Hussein. That picture appears in my book, Desert Shield,
Desert Storm. Anybody can check it out. So, he is being described as a
greater leader. Basically, he is, to put it simply, an opportunist.
And of course, he has his support in Kurdistan, and again, we talk of
Kurdistan, two things to remember: One is that the formation of what is called
Kurdistan Autonomous Region, K.A.R., happened in 1974 under the regime of Saddam
Hussein, and these three provinces in the north, which are Kurdish majority,
they are basically divided into two parts. The southeastern part is under the
control of the P.U.K., the Patriotic Union of Kurdistan, of which he, Talabani,
is the leader, which is next door to Iran, and therefore, Jalal Talabani has a
very long tradition of good relations with Iran, though, of course, he wouldn't
want to talk about them now. And in the northwestern part of Kurdistan there the
Barzani is, who is the son of the senior Barzani. By the way, the senior Barzani
died in a hospital in Virginia. He was very close to the Americans in the 1970s.
So, we have the situation where basically these two Kurdish parties, the
K.D.P., the Kurdistan Democratic Party, and the P.U.K., the Patriotic Union of
Kurdistan, came together and formed the Kurdistan Alliance and contested these
elections on January 30, and they won 75 seats out of 275. Now, the Kurds are no
more than 15 to 16% of the population. They are entitled to maybe about 40
seats. They won 75. The 25 seats they have won have come at the expense of the
Sunni-Arabs. So, by the way, all I can say that Sunni-Arabs are definitely not
happy. In fact, they're very upset at what has happened, that he has become
president.
That's not the only point. The other thing is that you have to remember
Turkey is next door. And Turkey is, by the way, of course, we have to remind
ourselves the member of NATO, is very close to America, and they have their
Kurdish population, which is 20% of the national population. They are next door
to the Iraqi Kurdistan. They are very unhappy at this rising influence in power
of Iraqi Kurds who now want to make the regional capital of Kirkuk, which is
oil-rich city, which will give them a very powerful economic base and prepare
them for declaring independence of Kurdistan. So, it is something which is going
to have severe repercussions as time goes by.
AMY GOODMAN: Will the northern Iraqi Kurds fight as hard for
independence if Jalal Talabani is the Kurdish president of Iraq?
DILIP HIRO: Well, I think it's not that they will go for it now. See,
basically, of course, we are told it's a ceremonial job. Yes, in fact, it is.
But, you see, also, of course, he has two deputy vice presidents, one of them is
Sunni and the other is Shiite, and they must always take joint -- what you call
unanimous decisions. So, unanimously they have to decide who to choose as a
potential prime minister, who is actually the executive prime minister. So no
decision can be taken unless all three of them agree. That's one. Secondly, as
you rightly pointed out in your introduction, one of the main tasks of this
government will to be have a permanent constitution, and from the way things
have gone so far, the Kurds are going to press very hard to get maximum
autonomy, and that is not going to go on very well with the rest of the Iraqi
population, especially the Shiites. The Shiites are mostly, you know, what you
call, very religious. According to them, in Islam, there is no ethnic
difference. At the same time, the Kurds will insist on having more power. Next
thing to remember is that since 1991, because of the Anglo-American air umbrella
of Kurdistan, Kurdistan has been functioning basically as a semi-independent
country. They have their own educational system. They have their own police.
They have their own militia, which is now turned into an army, which is not a
part of the central command in Baghdad. They have refused to allow other units
of the Iraqi army to enter Kurdistan, and so all of this actually is a
preparation for at some point to declare independent Kurdistan. That is the fear
of Turkey.
AMY GOODMAN: Dilip Hiro, what about Jalal Talabani's relationship with
the C.I.A.?
DILIP HIRO: Well, of course, I have to say not only he has a
relationship with the C.I.A., but also he has a relationship with the
intelligence agency of Iran. You know, this is one of the amazing things, if you
really go into this whole intelligence world, you will be dumbstruck to find
these overlappings and so on and so forth.
AMY GOODMAN: Sounds a little like Ahmed Chalabi.
DILIP HIRO: Absolutely. Except that Chalabi was never actually living
-- never lived in Iraq, and when his parents left when he was only 12 or 13, and
unlike them, of course, Talabani, as well as Barzani, they have been living in
not what you may call proper Iraq, but in Iraqi Kurdistan, so in that sense they
have more ground support, a proper constituency. At the same time given this
kind of location they have, as I said, you have to look at the map to see the
southeastern Kurdistan is next to Iran. There's no way you can operate in this
part of the world without having some good relationship with Iran. And the other
thing to remember, of course, all these guys now, of course, claim secularism,
and they're so much against Iranian mullahs, but remember in the 1980 to 1988
Iran-Iraq war, the Kurdistan -- the Kurdish militia run both by Talabani and
Barzani fought alongside the Iranians and against the Iraqi soldiers. So, in a
way you could say that they committed, in quote, “treason” to be fighting their
own national army, while -- and working with the enemy. So I think they have
such a long and checkered and opportunistic background to -- therefore others
point out he was a guerrilla leader, I mean, I find really hard to take in. Of
course, the relationship with the intelligence agencies is all over the place.
And of course, the one man who really comes out on top in that business who is
right now technically the prime minister of Iraq is Iyad Allawi. He publicly
said, I have saved money from twelve intelligence agencies. I think he should go
down in the Guinness Book of Records.
AMY GOODMAN: We are talking to Dilip Hiro. His latest book is
Secrets and Lies: Operation Iraqi Freedom and After. We'll break. We’ll
come back to Dilip Hiro and other guests to talk about the new Iraqi government.
--Dilip Hiro, a veteran journalist on the Middle East. His trilogy of
books on Iraq and Iran are considered some of the most definitive histories of
the wars in the Persian Gulf. His latest book is called Secrets and Lies:
Operation "Iraqi Freedom" and After.
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WASHINGTON'S NEOCON IN BAGHDAD? ZALMAY KHALILZAD NOMINATED AS U.S.
AMBASSADOR Interview with Larry Everest
** Zalmay Khalilzad, the current U.S. ambassador to Afghanistan prepares to
head to Iraq. We look at his history from supporting the mujahadeen in the
1980s, his relationship to big oil and his role in the Project for the New
American Century. **
Democracy Now! April 7, 2005
http://www.democracynow.org/article.pl?sid=05/04/07/1343234
AMY GOODMAN: Antonia Juhasz with us from California, Larry Everest, as
well, author of Oil, Power and Empire: Iraq and the US Global Agenda.
Larry, you have been writing about Zalmay Khalilzad. Can you talk about the new
U.S. Ambassador to Iraq, formerly of Afghanistan?
LARRY EVEREST: Hi, Amy. Yeah, Zalmay Khalilzad has been a key player
in both the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan and Iraq, and even more
importantly and in some ways interestingly, of the global strategy that's really
shaped those wars and U.S. actions since September 11, a global strategy of
radically restructuring relations in service of greater U.S. dominance around
the world, so I feel his nomination as ambassador to Iraq really tells us two
things. First, that the U.S., despite the resistance, despite the upheaval, the
U.S. remains bent on reshaping Iraq to serve its interests, not Iraqi interests.
This is some of what Antonia was just referring to. Also, that creating this
pro-U.S. regime, a pro-U.S. neo-colony, really, in Iraq remains central to
broader U.S. objectives in the region, and in the world, including restructuring
the Middle East, opening it up to greater U.S. investment, gaining greater
control over world energy supplies, and let's not forget militarily dominating
potential rivals like Russia and China. It's really fascinating to look at his
career, because it opens a window onto the development of this whole grand
strategy that's become enshrined as the Bush Doctrine.
Khalilzad was born in Afghanistan, immigrated to the United States and first
began working in the government in 1984, the State Department, under Paul
Wolfowitz. He moved over to Defense under Dick Cheney and again Wolfowitz under
the George H. W. Bush administration in 1988. And in 1992, he was the author of
the first articulation of the strategy now in effect that the United States
should prevent the rise of any rival powers. This was the so-called Defense
Planning Guidance. This was a paper that also paid particular attention to
making sure that the US controlled the Persian Gulf and its oil supplies there.
So, we can see the genesis of the 2003 invasion over a decade earlier when he
and the other neoconservatives in the Bush government were out of office, when
Clinton took over, they spent the decades of the 1990s elaborating this vision
of U.S. global hegemony, of vociferously demanding more aggressive action around
the world, as well as in Iraq and including the overthrow of Saddam Hussein, as
you mentioned in your run-up. And one of the interesting things, he wrote a book
in 1995, titled From Containment to Global Leadership, and this was
really a brief for U.S. global power to be extended all around the world. Very
interesting, because he noted that in the wake of the Soviet Union's collapse,
the United States faced both opportunities and also potential dangers, including
the rise of new rivals, the shifting of world economic strength toward Asia, and
so on, and he called for decisive action to lock in U.S. domination and argued
this was an opportunity that the United States may never see again. And the
other thing that's interesting about the book is it makes clear that the Bush
strategy is not simply directed against the states like Iran and Iraq and North
Korea, but it's also ultimately directed against other world powers, including
Europe, Russia and China. So, this is really key to understanding the unfolding
events, not just the two wars and occupations that we have seen, but also the
growing tensions with Russia and China, Europe’s unhappiness with the 2003 war,
and so on.
I should also add that in the 1990s Khalilzad was a consultant to Unocal, one
of the oil giants at a time when Unocal was negotiating with the then Taliban
government for rights to conduct a pipeline across that country. Of course, when
George W. Bush took over in 2000, Khalilzad became quite prominent as a National
Security Council member. He was a special assistant for Near East, Southwest
Asia and North African Affairs. He was involved in planning the occupation and
reshaping of Iraq well before the war. Right before that war, he became the
emissary to the Iraqi exiles that the U.S. hoped would eventually rule in Iraq.
Plans have not turned out as they thought they would. He oversaw the first
meeting of those exiles in April, 2003, in Iraq. Later that year, he was named
ambassador to Afghanistan, where again he presided over U.S. efforts to try to
solidify control over this very strategically located country. If you take the
Middle East where Iraq lies and Central Asia where Afghanistan lies, that's home
to 80% of the world's energy supplies, and of course, a militarily strategic
area. And we're just learning, the Financial Times just reported
yesterday that it seems very likely that the U.S. will be constructing a long
term military base in Afghanistan, and we know that they have been considering
similar bases in Iraq. So Khalilzad has been at the very center of the efforts
to dominate and control the future of the Afghani and the Iraqi people, as well
as this broader global agenda that these actions were part of.
AMY GOODMAN: Larry Everest, it's interesting you mention he was a
consultant for Unocal, and now ChevronTexaco in Iraq, and ChevronTexaco taking
over Unocal.
LARRY EVEREST: Well, it is interesting, because one of the arguments
for the takeover was that oil is in short supply, and the majors are having
difficulty in finding enough oil reserves. In my book, I go into this at great
length, but essentially one of the reasons for the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq
was part of a multifaceted plan to gain more control over world oil supplies,
which are not simply about fueling SUVs in the United States. Oil is a
tremendous weapon of control and hegemony. He who controls oil controls both the
world economy and those who depend on oil. So, these wars were an effort to both
prevent rivals like Russia and China from gaining control over those supplies
and also part of a long term strategy of opening these areas up to greater U.S.
investment in order to try to meet this growing gap between rising world oil
demand and stagnating supply. So, oil, as you were mentioning, should be very
much brought back into the conversation about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq.
AMY GOODMAN: Larry Everest, I was just speaking with some Afghans last
night who knew Zalmay Khalilzad and talked about going way back his also role in
U.S. policy around supporting the mujahadin in Afghanistan, the mujahadin who
were fighting the Soviets and when the Soviet Union was out, set their sites on
the United States.
LARRY EVEREST: That's right. In the late 1980s he was part of a
working group at the State Department that were the point people for building
relations with the mujahadin, and of course, we know that that U.S. and Soviet
clash left a million Afghanis dead and the country devastated. And, of course,
that was the period of time that the CIA did have contacts and cultivated Osama
bin Laden. It's also interesting what Khalilzad has done in Afghanistan during
his tenure as ambassador. I mentioned laying the groundwork for having a
permanent U.S. military base there, but we should also note that opium
production has soared in the country, that the country is still basically a
coalition of various warlords, and that one of Khalilzad's last acts in
Afghanistan was to recommend that Abdul Rashid Dostum be recommended for a
position in the government. Of course, it was Dostum’s militia that murdered
hundreds of suspected Taliban fighters by locking them in shipping containers
shortly after the U.S. invasion there in 2001, an act of incredible brutality.
There have also been reports that his forces have been driving ethnic Pashtuns
from their villages and razing the villages and so on. So, this gives a sense of
the kind of brutality that Khalilzad and the other members of the Bush
administration are willing to bring to bear to advance these objectives we have
been discussing this morning.
AMY GOODMAN: Larry Everest, the PNAC recommendations, Project for a
New American Century, back under President Clinton, and Zalmay Khalilzad's role
in that?
LARRY EVEREST: Well, he signed the letter that you mentioned that
called for the overthrow of Saddam Hussein. This was an open letter to Bill
Clinton in 1998, and while the foreign policy dispute was not the leading edge
of the Clinton impeachment, it was certainly an element in this vociferous
right-wing campaign to get rid of Clinton. The right wing felt that Clinton was
not acting aggressively enough around the world, was not seizing the moment to
assert U.S. hegemony as forcefully as it should. One of the interesting things
about the letter that Khalilzad signed with a number of the other luminaries of
the right wing was that it made no mention of the threat of terror whatsoever
and only passing reference to the danger of weapons of mass destruction. The
focus of the letter was that Saddam Hussein's continued existence, his continued
rule, was threatening U.S. dominance in the Middle East, and that action was
needed in order to strengthen Israel, to strengthen U.S.-Arab allies and to
insure U.S. control of Persian Gulf oil supply. So, these were the real motives
of the 2003 invasion. Studying Khalilzad and getting into this whole global
agenda that he has been such a key part of articulating and developing really,
really points to the true motives for that 2003 war, a war as I mentioned that
was a decade in the making.
AMY GOODMAN: Finally, Larry Everest, you talked about Paul Wolfowitz.
Now he heads up the World Bank, Zalmay Khalilzad nominated to be the ambassador
to Iraq. What about Wolfowitz, and the significance of this new position?
LARRY EVEREST: Well, I feel that you can look at Khalilzad's
nomination, Wolfowitz's nomination and Bolton's nomination all as a piece. They
represent, I feel, the desire by the Bush government not to be restrained in its
second term, but to more aggressively push forward this effort to really, and
particularly with Wolfowitz and Bolton, it's an effort to really lower the
status of Europe, Japan, Russia and other potential competitors to a more second
tier subordinate status. I think the U.S. was, of course, very upset that France
and Russia didn't rubberstamp the war in Iraq. There’s concerns about the World
Bank and its role in -- for example, one thing that could be an outcome of
Wolfowitz's nomination is approving a U.S.-driven privatization and funding of
U.S. projects in Iraq. So again, I see these as steps, all of a piece in the
sense of very aggressively pushing forward this agenda. We have got to be clear
that these actions are very likely to lead to further conflict and suffering in
many parts of the world, as well as the potential for tremendous upheaval and
resistance as these plans unfold.
AMY GOODMAN: Larry Everest, I want to thank you for being with us,
author of Oil, Power and Empire: Iraq and the US Global Agenda, writes
for the Revolutionary Worker. Antonia Juhasz, author and activist
speaking to us from California, and Dilip Hiro, author of Secrets and Lies:
Operation Iraqi Freedom and After.
--Larry Everest, author of the book Oil, Power & Empire: Iraq and
the U.S. Global Agenda. His website is: http://www.larryeverest.com. He
writes frequently for the Revolutionary Worker newspaper. His latest
article is titled "Zalmay Khalilzad: Empire Builder Moves to Iraq."
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